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Post by anniel on Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:50 am

I am looking for a solution that can be used by actors to remove Endura nightly after haunting.

OK, I was tipped by someone in the industry that Barbasol would work to remove Endura. Alas, trying it last night, it did not. (I used the aloe vera one)

A bit of a scrub with 91% alcohol works, but repetitive removals day after day would be incredibly drying.

I found on ME that WD-40 worked a charm. What a Face I would not recommend this to a client. (and I don't know that I would use it on my face!!--Unless it works on wrinkles...hmmm.)

Anybody got any clues on something other than the pricey stuff?
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by anniel on Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:41 am

I was wrong (again!)--I just did not let the Barbasol sit for 5 minutes---THEN it worked! Ha!
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by Forest-Fairy on Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:58 pm

I would try a solvent like Super Solv, or Remove it all. They are gentler on the skin the iso, but still need to be washed off after use.

Tell the client to use witch hazel after and toner after removal and it will save their skin big time.
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Post by leapinglizards on Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:52 pm

Super solve poured into wet wipes.... But give them ONE WIPE AT A TIME..... One will go a Loooooooong way

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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by Forest-Fairy on Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:06 am

Wet wipes aren't meant for use on the face (so said my makeup teacher). A soft cloth works best.

Another thing I forgot to mention was its always a good idea after any FX makeup removal that is repetitive (day after day), have a hot towel for the models face. After removing the makeup and washing the face; Lay the wet warm towel over thier face and this will open up the pores nicely and help clean the face. Do this for a few min then apply a toner.

Very important to do this with repetitive fx makeup if you want to take good care of the models skin.
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Post by anniel on Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:54 pm

Yeah, just not going there this time---gonna use proaiir hybrid for September-November...

BUT, I do appreciate your input! Thanks FF!
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Post by Forest-Fairy on Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:14 am

Proaiir Hybrid would be the best bet for durability and easy removal that's furs sure. If it's just for 'scare actors' for a haunted house and there are a lot of them, I just hand out little printed slips with skin care instructions on them, then it's up to them to do the extra care if they want. Also it helps keep you looking professional. Wink
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by Sweet Loretta on Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:35 pm

Barbosal aka soap does not work as well as oil on alcohol based makeup like Endura. Oily makeup remover works best. As you found out with WD40 an oil product...oil works. Make sure your actors moisturize well not just before but rather each morning. Even a skin primer will help the makeup remove more easily.

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Post by jlirie on Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:44 pm

according to wikipedia, the german version of wd40's msds sheet lists naptha as a main petroleum derived ingredient. it goes on to say naptha is basically lighter fluid..um, step away from the can and put the cotton ball down affraid
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by anniel on Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:25 am

Aw, cm'on...it was better than trying duct tape...I was in a hurry and using it for something else already--I forget what--maybe an alternative to my squirt gun to get the cat off the counter??

BTW, Loretta--thanks for the super fast shipment--got it yesterday!
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Post by jlirie on Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:32 am

you were trying it on wrinkles, maybe? Very Happy Very Happy
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by Snickell on Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:16 am

As someone who plans to be doing a loooot of Halloween makeups using Endura, this thread is EXTREMELY relevant to my interests.

Maybe if you rinsed out the baby wipes in hot water and re-soak them in your choice of solvent? (I remember reading that idea somewhere else in the forum, only they re-soaked them in soapy water)
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Post by Forest-Fairy on Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:01 am

I've done that before Snickell. With solvent - totally works.
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by jlirie on Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:18 am

so if oily makeup remover is best, couldn't you use a natural oil?  just googled a bit and someone tested a bunch of natural recipes for makeup remover, and came up with a mixture of witch hazel, oil (any natural oil) and water.
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by Forest-Fairy on Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:10 am

A lot of oils work too like coconut oils, witch hazel is a really good one too, just remember that these are removers that you also have to remove Razz .

Though when it comes to water proof makeup, an actual makeup remover does work best. I also find real makeup remover is also itself easier to clean off your skin then coconut oil. But witch hazel is a big makeup industry standard for like everything.
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Post by jlirie on Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:49 pm

ok, i couldn't figure out why makeup remover would be bad, got confused by the word "solvent", as in petroleum distillates or harsh cleaners.

but, yeah, no wd40!
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by Sweet Loretta on Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:41 pm

Good point about natural oils - yep they work too.

Endura or any alcohol based or activated makeup on the face or large body applications is meant for when you need super durable applications. At which point most actors/customers are working up moisture on their skin aka sweat. You will find with that most of the time most of the Endura will sluff off in a shower. This should be done and then a safe remover used.  

Super Solve is nice but pricey.  Remember most times you will not be where the actor/customer is at removal time. You need to refer them to easy to acquire removers.
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by Forest-Fairy on Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:52 pm

9 times out of 10 if I have to apply a product that requires a special way to take off, I make sure I'm the one to remove it. In the film industry, your job is not over until the actor is back to looking normal. Also it's much safer for us to do the removal.

But there have been times for private projects, such as halloween applications, and so forth that we aren't able to be there to remove it. In cases like this we instruct the person how to remove the product and give them a little vial of remover (like super solv, bond off, etc) to take with them. This is factored into what we charge them for the application so everything is paid for.
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Post by jlirie on Wed Dec 03, 2014 11:10 pm

both of those are very good approaches. i can see it would make the experience work well for the person who got painted, and head off any bad stories.
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by anniel on Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:33 pm

I heard awful awful stories a few years ago from models who had been body-painted with Creatix. Poor things!
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Post by Forest-Fairy on Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:54 pm

anniel wrote:I heard awful awful stories a few years ago from models who had been body-painted with Creatix. Poor things!

I've seen that. When i called them on it they told me "everybody does it." so stupid
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Post by Sweet Loretta on Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:54 am

In face an d body art applications I always supply the remover for alcohol based applications but for most folks a remover for this is pretty easy to come by. Working as and SFX artist I am often able to be paid for removal, as with film work this is often part of the gig, not so for face and body painters. Always, look to work this things into your sales pitch, removal or supplies, it can help you upsell.

Createx is easy to get off the skin, in fact it most often flakes off. But who knows what is easy for most can be hard for another. I had a client I painted three times at my full rate (I am not cheap) and then fly me to three different locations across the US to paint her and another model. The first time she came to my studio she had residue from another local painter who had painted her 5 days prior. I could actually see the markings of this painters black. And this was sponge and brush!
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Re: Effective, Economic & Quick Endura removal

Post by anniel on Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:33 am

Apparently their skin type caused what they percieved to be an almost permanent adhesion, (since they'd received no instruction of removal). Said they'd soaked for hours in a bathtub, trying to loosen it up.
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