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Post by facetheart on Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:14 pm

I was wondering if anyone has any tips on alcohol brush sanitizing after every face and before a new face.
So I have been rinsing my brushes after every face and before a new one first in water to get the pigments off, then a soapy solution to sanitize, then rinse in water again to remove soap residue. Then I just go ahead and use my fresh water from my Rinse Well container for every re-dip into the paint.
Yet one of colleagues suggested to me that soap actually doesn't kill bacteria its the rubbing of the hands together that kills bacteria.
I did research it and she is somewhat correct but soap is a part in sanitizing.
So my sister looked online and read how alcohol is better.
So now it's we rinse the used dirty brush in water, then in alcohol then a rinse again in clean.
Then re dip my brush in fresh water (my rinse well, Love it) for re dipping into the paint.

Does anyone have any other ideas of how to ensure that my brushes for every face is like a new fresh clean brush?

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Post by fesspenter on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:32 pm

Dear facetheart:
I was trained by Rick Wray of Infectious Disease Control at SickKids Hospital. The method he instructed is used in BC. I use this method when I face paint at every single job. (Even that birthday party in Roncesvalles last year, when I met you while you were extremely entertaining with the Bubble Show!). Here goes...

A three tank system:
First tank: One drop of soap. Any kind of soap. It does not matter whether it is anti-bacterial with Triclosan, or not.

Second tank: clear water. People can have a reaction to soap, so rinsing is very important.

Third tank: clear water.

Wipe brush on paper towel or towel to get as much water out of the brush, while shaping the brush. This helps to avoid diluting the IPA.

Plunge the brush into 70% Isopropyl Alcohol and then place upright in a brush holder of some sort to allow the brush to dry. This can take 5-10 minutes for each brush, depending upon ambient temperature and humidity. If I am painting a child every 3 minutes, I can use that brush again in two or three children. I do carry a lot of brushes.

This system adds about 6-8 seconds per child to my painting routine.

I have also added some surgical scrub brushes from Lee Valley Tools to my first two tanks to help clean my brushes. My brushes are lasting longer because they do not have paint in the ferrule pushing the brush hairs out of shape.

Using a higher percentage of alcohol does not help sanitize better. It dries quicker, and does not sanitize as well at 70% IPA. IPA dissipates completely, leaving no trace residue to pollute our paints. You do not have to take an extra step to rinse the alcohol out of the brush, because, once it is dry, there is nothing to rinse out.

I hope this helps.

Happy Painting!
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Post by facetheart on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:39 pm

Well I thought I had to many brushes as it is now but I guess I will have to get more. lol!
Well after my sister told me I started to do the rinse, soap, rinse, alcohol, rinse.
So undiluted soap first, then rinse, the alcohol then let dry.
I guess I shouldn't rinse the alcohol in water after then.
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Post by jlirie on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:43 pm

so, if you reload your brush while painting, you are putting whatever is on the kid's skin on the face paint cake. (i realize some face paints have anti bacterial preservatives).

even if you sanitize your brushes, you are going back and picking up unsanitized paint and putting it on the next kid. so why bother?
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Post by jlirie on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:46 pm

first tank has water with a drop of soap, to get the face paint loose from the brush. most face paints have at least one wax or oil based ingredient, so the soap emulsifies it.
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Post by fesspenter on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:54 pm

The paint itself has mold inhibitors added to prevent growth.
At SickKids, there is NO double dipping. Double loading, YES.
If you load, load, load, load your brush, you do not have to to double dip.
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Post by fesspenter on Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:57 pm

Dear Teena:
YES!
That's my favourite scrub brush!
I have one at every sink and in the shower. These brushes are fantastic at removing face paint from under your fingernails.
I cut them with big-naughty word scissors into a shape slightly bigger than the tank, to wedge them into the bottom of the tank, as they float if they are not secured in the bottom. There is a sludge of paint left over in the tank after face painting.

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Post by jlirie on Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:01 pm

fesspenter - ok, no double dipping, that makes more sense. boy, under those circumstances i would go through mega amounts of brushes, i'm not good enough to get it right the first time, lol.
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Post by LittleMonsters on Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:09 pm

Thanks for the lengthy explanation Lisa! Very Happy
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Post by fesspenter on Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:13 pm

I have almost 90 brushes in my kit.

I am addicted to brushes.

The Face Paint Forum Shop has some amazing brushes called Flora. Oh. My. Gosh!
The best tiger lines ever.
Flowers.
Line work.

Now I have another addiction.

xoxox
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Post by fesspenter on Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:15 pm

Also...
I have painted black dots and white dots on some of my brushes that I have dedicated to black and white line work. I no longer have grayish black, or grayish white paint.

I know.
I am anal.

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Post by jlirie on Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:20 pm

since i live in the lazy US, i use dedicated brushes for black and white, and for similar colors as much as possible.  only rinse if i absolutely have to.  don't paint anyone visibly ill.  i would not be allowed into a hospital..

someday i will get the fancy expensive flora brush, first, more paint bounce
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Post by fesspenter on Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:24 pm

OOOOOOOOOOH!

Ziva Blue Shimmer.
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Post by facetheart on Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:34 pm

oh yeah the #10 and 4 as well what sizes of the flora do you like the best?
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Post by fesspenter on Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:41 pm

I own the Flora #10, #6, and #2.
I seem to use the #10 and #2 most.
Ask me in a year, and the answer may change.

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Post by Forest-Fairy on Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:49 pm

My method is I have a container for alcohol, one for dirty and one for clean.

Rinse brush, dip in 99% alcohol, lay flat to dry. Problem with putting the brush upright to dry is the iso then goes into the furrle of the brush and can loosen to glues holding it together. 

I change my dirty water every 5 kids and my clean every hour (so roughly every 10 - 15 kids)

In my water I also have Brush Bath from Silly farm.

To tell the difference of brushes on my table, the drying ones are laid vertical to myself and to the side, while others lay horizontal. 

I double dip, but not if the brush has come into contact with the eye, nose, or mouth area. And I never paint over open wounds or on sick kids.

I also have a spray atomizer of 99% alcohol to clean, surfaces. If a kid starts coughing in my chair, I spray everything they came into contact with and all the paints I used. Change the water, and sanitize it too. Pain in the but always, which is why i HATE it when parents try to sneak their sick kids in.

One sponge per face, and of course everything gets a good cleaning after the gig.
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Post by jlirie on Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:38 pm

i was reading up on alcohol and it turns out 70% is more effective than 95% or 99% at killing bacteria because a little water is needed for the alcohol to do its job on the bacterial cell walls. who knew?
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Post by Forest-Fairy on Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:07 am

Interesting. We always use 99% in the film industry. Probably because it's used for many other things such as illustrator pallets and removal of some makeups.

I know that adding iso to your water is ineffective, though i wonder about adding a little water to the iso?

I would figure that the brush is already saturated with water from the face painting process and that this would help lubricate the iso in doing it's work on the bacteria?

Interesting either way.
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Post by leapinglizards on Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:13 am

As for the no double dipping- The answer is, you scrape the paint onto a pallet for that customer. YES wastes more paint until you get the knack of knowing how much- BUT it stays sanitary.

Also, Proaire used as suggested, and with new sponges, stays sanitary- another reason I like it.

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Post by jlirie on Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:58 am

forest-fairy, yes if the brush is wet, that would help do the trick. also since you're immersing the brush in a whole lot of alcohol, ain't nothing gonna escape!

leaping lizards, i am considering that technique with my regular face paints on the job. in fact i did that with a small amount of each color to make myself a practice pallette at home.
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Post by Forest-Fairy on Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:51 am

The scraping on to a pallet is what we do in the film industry. I dont do it with face painting though. After much thought its just not practical for speed or proper loading techniques. :/
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Post by Sweet Loretta on Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:02 pm

Just note that straight alcohol, while many use it on their brushes, can ruin some brushes. Many brushes just lose their umph and shape with direct alcohol applications. I use Mehron Brush Treatment and Cleaner it has alcohol in it but helps the brushes remain intact and well shaped.
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