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Post by mespo on Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:07 am

How many design choices do you typically offer? I try to have a fairly even amount of boy and girl options, but it's so much easier for me to do more designs for girls.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by jlirie on Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:47 am

i've found over time, the kids narrow it down for me by only picking certain designs.

so offer a range and see what's popular, retire the ones that aren't.

add in new ones and repeat the process.
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Post by Forest-Fairy on Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:14 am

I try to have a more or less even amount for boys favorites and girls favorites with several 'neutral' designs, like tigers for example.

I switch up the boys designs a lot, because they are harder to impress and thus convince to do it. Lots of super hero's, monsters, skulls, dragons and pirates etc. What ever is popular.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by jlirie on Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:37 am

what forest-fairy said about neutral designs reminded me of something - also depends on your photo or picture of the design.

if your photo of your puppy design is on a girl, boys will probably not pick it. if your awesome dinosaur is all fearsome and dark, girls may not see themselves getting it.

so either have photos of the same designs on both boys and girls, or illustrations on a neutral face template.

i remember one time a boy made a comment about not getting an animal design because it seemed like a girls' design, and i reminded him there are both male and female animals.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by thouartbeautiful on Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:43 am

For most events I offer 72 deluxe designs, if it's a fast event I offer 24 (my design sheets have 9 a page). I want to do more festivals this year and do need more designs for that, I always end up bringing all of my design sheets and figure it out when there cause they're easy to swap.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by Kal on Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:06 pm

I have about 24 that I display and over 100 that I know. It's a hat trick. When I get a little girl that is unsure of what she wants I'll surprise her with a very different butterfly mask than the one I have displayed on my board. I also have simpler versions of things for kids who are younger or more wiggly. In the end everyone feels they've had a level of customized service and it puts me above my competition Wink
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by rthling on Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:50 pm

I have exactly two designs. One for boys and one for girls.

And woe be to the kid who asks for something more.

Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by Forest-Fairy on Fri Mar 06, 2015 1:47 pm

totally jlirie

If the photo is of a girl with the puppy face, boys don't seem to choose it as much. I find this is worse for boys then for girls, girls are more open to picking neutral designs that was featured on boys.

I've been trying to get those 'neutral designs' on kids that are more androgynous looking (not sure if boy or girl at first glance) for my display board.

Kids are SO weird when picking stuff from a photo board. I once had a kid (like 8yo) as for a design from my board (that was painted on a black kid) and he said "I want that one, but not the black skin."
affraid
I'm sure he really had no idea how racist that sounded, but what I couldn't get over was that he thought the black skin was part of the design.... what?

I swear some times i feel like I have to have a butterfly, tiger, and princess of EVERY color on display. Why?
Me: What color do you want your butterfly?
Kid: The color on the board.

See, they don't even remember the color it was! They only remember that they liked it, and thus won't be disappointed. Some times I can trick them by asking what their favorite color is, and suggest we do the butterfly in that color. 
And I over hear this all the time too.
"*sigh* they don't do blue princess's, only purple and pink ones."
*face desk* It makes me want to rip my hair out some times. AHHHHHH!
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by jlirie on Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:00 pm

yeah, gender, color, age, display all factor in. 11 year old boy isn't gonna get the tiger if it's a 3 yr old in the photo. i usually mention i can do any colors they want.

rthling, lemme guess, a spidey-dino-tiger-skull for boys and a pink and purple butterfly-hello kitty-mermaid-princess for girls Razz
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by rthling on Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:05 pm

jlirie wrote:

rthling, lemme guess, a spidey-dino-tiger-skull for boys and a pink and purple butterfly-hello kitty-mermaid-princess for girls Razz

Nope. I call them "Take it or leave it."
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by mespo on Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:29 am

Those were great suggestions and I appreciate all the feedback. I can't even imagine having 100 designs that I know by heart. Wow...that is really impressive. You are so right about how the photo makes such a difference in what girls and boys will choose. I may do the same designs on a boy and a girl and add it to my book so they'll be more open to choosing other designs. I am working on building up my portfolio of design choices so it's a work in progress right now. I just need lots of models to paint on for my photos!
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by rthling on Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:49 pm

Seriously, though. I probably have around 100+ designs I know by heart, but I don't offer them all at every event.
I retire things I hate to paint, and sometimes I just jack up the price so that IF I have to paint that design, it is worth my while.
I've had people pay as much as $20 for a design I just can't bring myself to remove from the board, because, while I hate them, there are those few idiots who are willing to pay $20 for them.
Designs like:
But hey. I'll take their money.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by Kal on Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:01 pm

I painted a Ninja Turtle with a pink mask once. I had a little girl who very badly wanted to be a ninja turtle and her grandma kept telling her "no, because that's not for girls." So I blocked Grandma's view with my giant backside and told the little girl I promised to make her a princess design that she would love. Then the princess ninja turtle was born, complete with sparkles, swirls and glitter. Grandma was shocked and impressed. (I thought she might have a heart attack) I don't think I've ever seen a happier kid. She was adorable and I was glad to help her kick Grandma's lack of imagination in the teeth Wink
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by jlirie on Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:47 pm

great improv, kal
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by Kal on Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:44 pm

*takes a bow*

I hate it when parents try to tell children how to get their faces painted and it's even worse when they are backing it up with sexist reasoning.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by Forest-Fairy on Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:22 pm

Kal wrote:*takes a bow*

I hate it when parents try to tell children how to get their faces painted and it's even worse when they are backing it up with sexist reasoning.



This might be be worst face painting pet peeve/eye twitch moment. Even more then when parents try to use me as a babysitter.

I usually don't say much when this happens besides offering 'compromise' designs that are a bit of both, or some times I'll say "I think mom wants that one, so she can get that one, and what would you like? ^.^ "

But the next time this happens I'm going to say "there are no 'boys designs' and 'girls designs' there are simply 'face painting designs' choose the one YOU like best. ^.^ "
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by mespo on Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:26 pm

I love that answer and I'll have to use that sometime!
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by Forest-Fairy on Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:29 pm

Best part is it's hard to argue with that line, because they are MY designs, I made them. So I'm the authority on what they are and not anyone else. Very Happy
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by mespo on Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:40 pm

It seems hard to come up with designs that are totally new and unique. I've learned so much from looking at what other people have done. I am trying to make it my own so I don't "copy" theirs but it isn't always easy. Does that come with time? For example, Mark Reid does really beautiful whimsical looking cats. I can't come up with designs like that on my own, so I learn from him. Is that wrong?
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by Kal on Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:30 am

It does come, with a lot of time and a lot of practice. I have yet to develop my own style but figuring out where I like my sparkles and symmetry is beginning to come easier. For now, spend hours and hours watching youtube vids and staring at face paint pinterest boards and fake it 'til you make it Wink Most importantly, strive for improvement for the rest of your life.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by jlirie on Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:49 am

everyone starts out copying, it's how you learn the good techniques, if you copy someone like mark reid.

it's also a good idea to learn different styles. for instance, i tend to gravitate more toward watercolor or realistic styles, so i will also practice cartoon or graphic styles to be more versatile.

then you can add your own flair, or invent your own designs.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by mespo on Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:19 pm

Thanks again! All your replies really help me grow and learn more about this amazing art.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by Xyphoid on Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:48 pm

We offer a more or less even amount that each gender would likely enjoy.

Yes Kal, I really dislike when parents interfere with their child's design selection process.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by JennVenn on Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:40 am

I typically offer 20 designs on my display board. I usually make theme specific ones for each event (yeah I am crazy I know!!) To me it is usually fun coming up with 6 or 7 different Lego themed designs to go with my popular ones at a Lego party. I do have a binder that I bring to gigs that has most of my other designs if there is a child that can't make up their minds. I occasionally take requests off of phones if there is no line but not often. They don't always turn out great on the fly Shocked Hats off to the artists that don't use a board!! Ah goals Wink
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Post by mespo on Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:08 pm

Yeah....I can't even imagine. I still have to refer to my designs when I'm painting. Some of them I can do without looking but it's taking me a while to get there.
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