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Post by AuntieStacey on Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:21 am

Amen. I'm thinking of ways to make rainbows more "manly" so toddler boys can get them without dad freaking out. Maybe add a Harley?

I like working without showing the book at a birthday party, then I can change things up. But at a busy event it's better if they know what they want by the time they sit in the chair. At the end of a long day when I have trouble remembering what a butterfly looks like it's good to fall back on the old standbys.
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Post by AuntieStacey on Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:25 am

How many times do you paint a design before adding it to your board? And do you post the 3-5 minute version, or the best possible version?
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Post by mespo on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:55 am

If I feel comfortable with the design and can do it pretty well the first time, I'll put it on my board. Since I do most of my painting at the roller rink and normally have time, I post the best version. If I go to an event, I will select the ones that I know I can do fairly quickly.
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Post by AuntieStacey on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:00 pm

Do you constantly take photos and update your board with them? Do you obtain written permission from parent or guardian?
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by rthling on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:51 pm

My pictures were all obtained by painting at my church's Mother's Day Out program. They got free painting, I got free photos.
I have signed model consent forms for each child on my board.
Some designs are painted on myself, and some on my children. I don't have consent for those, lol.
Many of my designs have been on my board for a couple of years.
I still paint them all. If I don't like painting a certain design, I either take it off my menu or price it high enough, that someone really has to want it, for me to paint it. (And for that price, I don't seem to mind it as much, lol!)
I try to keep all of my designs 3 minutes and under.
In this business, time is money.
And if I don't have a long line, or I'm just getting started for the day, I usually dazzle up the first customer or two, so my work that's out there has great wow factor and draws folks to me.
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Post by AuntieStacey on Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:01 pm

Nice! What percent of your work is pay per face?
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Post by Forest-Fairy on Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:01 pm

AuntieStacey wrote:How many times do you paint a design before adding it to your board? And do you post the 3-5 minute version, or the best possible version?
With some it might be right away, with other more complex ones, i paint it a few times to see if i can get it within or around the 5 min mark. For non PPF events I don't put designs on my board that take more then 5 min to do. For PPF events I'll put all my complex designs out there that cost more money. Very Happy

I tend to post the best photo with the cutest most photogenic looking child, as designs on cute or good looking kids get picked more. Sad state of affairs if you ask me, but kids will tell me over and over even for cheek art designs 'I want to look like her'. Models sell stuff... tis the way our society has been brainwashed.



AuntieStacey wrote:Do you constantly take photos and update your board with them? Do you obtain written permission from parent or guardian?

I constantly take photos of lots of stuff. Some times if the design looks better on the kid i just painted then the one on my board, I get a photo. If i painted something for the first time and it's crap and i never want to see it again.... i take a photo. There's nothing better to study later and learn from your mistakes.

I ask if I can take a photo for my portfolio, and get verbal confirmation. I also have a disclaimer on my website and FB page that if they want it taken down, email me and I'll do it immediately. 

I don't have model release forms for my portfolio, or design board, only for my adverts like business cards, flyers, and such. I kinda fly by the 'better to beg forgiveness then to ask permission.' Some of you might think that's risky because all it takes is one parent to sue you right? Funny thing is that the reality is all a parent can do at first is ask you to remove it, they can't and don't usually sue you unless you refuse to remove the photo. So it's simple, just remove it, problem solved. They then have nothing to sue for if you removed the photo. 

Example: My friend is a special FX makeup artist, and he had a falling out with his former business partner. The former partner however was still using my friends work in his banner and adverts though, and with out permission. My friend asked him over and over to remove them, and the guy would say he would, but then didn't (because it would mean having to make and pay for new banners). He got away with this for months, until my friend went to a lawyer and paid $100 for a cease and desist letter. This type of letter basically is a formal warning of 'stop what you are doing, or else we will sue you.' The guy stopped. But if he didn't then he could be sued by my friend and then it would be too little too late because there is proof he ignored initial demands that the photos be removed. But that guy got away with it for half a year or more until he got an official letter.

So don't ignore a request for a photo to be removed, and you are in the clear. Also I did get verbal connect to use the photo in my gallery, and portfolio, so I even got permission - unlike my friends former partner. 

In 15 years in business I've never had to remove a single photo. The average person just doesn't really care enough to make a stink (least not in BC it seems , lots of laid back hippies we are lol). Most people who do recognize their kids in my design book feel like super stars lol, and the kids LOVE getting in the book, lots of my regulars love pointing themselves out to their friends, and they feel famous lol Razz .

Frame it as a good thing, and people will WANT to be in your gallery. Frame it as 'can i get you to sign this serious form?' and i think it discourages people from wanting to participate. Just my opinion on the entire thing. If you find consent forms work for you, it doesn't slow up your line of discourage people from giving permission, then keep doing that. Smile
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by AuntieStacey on Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:17 pm

Thank you Forest Fairy,

That is pretty much what I have been doing as far as releases. Like you said, kids like being in the book. I always ask the kid if I can take their photo before I do. Just courtesy. Most of the pix are just for me to critique. No one has asked me to remove their child's photo from book or website, but of course I would in a heartbeat if asked.

I've started asking for model releases for people I paint for free for promotional examples. Just so I can be more and more professional. I wouldn't use them if I have a long line. Even taking a photo takes too long sometimes. Smile
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Post by Forest-Fairy on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:06 pm

Yeah All my promotional photos (flyers, cards etc) I do on friends kids or something or i get model releases. 

most of the photos i take never make it onto the website or into the book. They are just to compare, and review my work after if i'm working on something, or doing things a different way.

Big thing though! You have to ask the PARENT if you can take their kids photo. Asking the kid is the legal equivalent to asking the tree you are set up under. One of the many reasons i have a sign that says 'children must be accompanied by an adult'. 

Oh and the percentage of pay per face kids where i can post actual prices is pretty low. Most of the time i find my self doing 'by donation' which is close, but I put out my faster ones on those gigs, because i can't have a 'set price' for certain designs. So it's all about getting as many done as possible in the time frame given to make the most money.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by rthling on Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:48 pm

AuntieStacey wrote:Nice! What percent of your work is pay per face?

I'd say about 25-30% of my work is PPF.
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Re: How Many Choices?

Post by Sweet Loretta on Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:58 pm

How come these threads do not get bumped?

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