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Post by Elise on Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:20 am

I have been planning on starting my small facepainting business for a while, i have all of my equipment and everything. I just don't really know where to start. So I was going to start advertising and just jump in, maybe even the first few parties half price just to get my experience up. But my problem is, is that I have only about 7 pictures of different faces, three of them being butterflies.

I know it's not fair to steal other people's facepaint artworks and display them in a book or such. But I have nothing to be able to give examples to the customers from which they can choose from. I would be more than happy to display my own artwork and spend time facepainting to create the examples myself, but I have no kids to paint on. And doing it on my father and sister as I have already looks wrong.

So what do I do ? Neutral
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Post by memoryfairy on Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:52 am

You could do it on yourself - I noticed on Vi's website her examples are of herself & they look great.

I have had a similar thought that I only have my 2 kids & will it look odd having only their faces - but really people are looking at the design more than the face its on ( I think/hope Very Happy )
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Post by Elise on Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:55 am

It's just that I'm not sure it will look really odd, especially as it always looks so much nicer as kids.
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Post by Elise on Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:09 am

So I was thinking maybe until i establish my own pictures, do you think it's okay to borrow just to put in a photo album as examples ?
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Post by WickedBA on Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:36 am

I wouldn't use other people photos. Do you have any kids or day cares in your area. You could go for a day and use those pictures. Or any neighbors, nieces, nephews, anything you can find.
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Post by WickedBA on Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:37 am

By the time I got good enough to take pictures my daughter was tired of being painted so a lot of my pictures are on myself or my practice head that I got fro free from a local beauty college.
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Post by IamGinaW on Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:53 am

When I first started, I was volunteering and I let the kids look through the books I had (the one that comes with the snaz kit and the Klutz book) as examples of what I COULD do.
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Post by JBM on Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:56 am

I wouldn't use other peoples pictures its just not kosher. Maybe volunteer somewhere for a day and use it to get some photos? One of my first jobs I was booked at a caravan park for an open day if you have Discovery or Big 4 parks nearby call them as they do open days a lot- if painting is free to the public and you do good work you will have a line and get lots of pics. Or ask a local toy store if you can set up for a day. There will be lots of kids at toy stores - or if you go to church lots of people do church stuff.
I do markets too as I had a henna stall already and you don't need a picture board for markets just write on a board what faces you offer. You''ll need public liability insurance but some markets offer this as part of the stall fee. It can be ok money but even better marketing and photo op. Just be sure to ask the parents first if it is ok to take the picture. I know others on here don't use pictures either.
Jump in and get painting! Oh yeah read all the pages on new to face painting on this forum they are gold. And head to vistaprint for business cards or postcards cause you will get asked for these from the start. Good luck. I'm still really really new to this but its amazing how quickly the business is taking off and even taking over from henna as the big earner!


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Post by LoneWolf on Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:23 am

You can draw them or just write the names of the things. Or just don't bring any, but tell them what they can be painted as. Bring books, but know that they will handle them rough and be careful when selecting, so you can do at least most of the faces (or tell them that the last section of the book- if that is the hardest) you will not paint, because it takes too long. Painting on yourself, family or a practice head is also fine, if you ask me.
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Post by Elise on Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:29 am

Thanks for all of the advice, I'm going to try really hard to find kids because I agree, it's not right to use other people's photos. Looking for markets over the holidays but the ones around are around $70 for a stall just for the day without hire-ing anything :S
But yeah they are really good ideas the toy store etc.

I have already made a business card on vista-print. biggest help ever Smile Maybe even facepainting books and photocopy the pictures from the local library so as not to accidently wreck the books.
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Post by JBM on Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:06 am

Wow 70 bucks for a market stall is crazy!! Do you have crafty friends? You'd need a few people going in on that to make it worth it!
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Post by Sam I Am on Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:35 am

Why do you need pics, just let them pick from there imagination or have a sign that says: Butterfly, Spider Guy, Tiger ect. I find that kids have so much more fun when they get to control what they get, I did an amazing Iron Man the other day and would never have done it if I worked from a book, also if you use someone else's stuff, even from a published book and you cant pull of a face exactly like it is on the page, kids and parents get pissy. Also most books come with copy write.
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Post by Psalmbook on Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:49 am

I don't use a book or a board. It's all from the imagination & I love to let kids try to "stump the artist". I'd never use another artists photos. It is stealing & if found out could give you a bad rep in the FP community. If you don't have time to get pics, you can make up some wordart. I have a board I use for festivals when organizers want to limit the design options. It has words like PUPPY, or KITTY with the animals incorporated into the design. I got it for one of our awesome painters on here. Ashley Pickens has a similar board(I think she might be selling them or was considering it). I also have tons of photos of me painted. I used to think it'd look weird, but most people are awed that I can do the work on myself.
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Post by Perry Noia on Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:00 am

I understand that you want some pictures to advertise with. I organized an event last winter (during down time) with some other kid friendly businesses... we rented a space all together and there was free face painting in exchange for all of them signing a photo release. I took pictures of every kid and I had a list ahead of time of all the faces that I wanted pictures of.... they could pick from those and I crossed them out once I had two of any particular picture. A friend of mine is a professional photographer, so I let her come set up her info to give out for free if she took all the pictures for me. This might not be feasible for you right now, but it's an idea that might spark another idea for you.
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Post by CreateFaces on Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:35 am

Word Art works great, and it doesn't put you under the pressure to paint the design EXACTLY like in the sample pic.
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Post by AngieAnders on Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:37 am

Displaying or advertising with pictures that aren't of your own work would not be kosher, but I've never heard that it's wrong to have a small selection in a reference book that you can bring out to show potential customers so that they can get an idea of what you offer. You would just want to be sure and clarify that the pics aren't of your own work.

At least I know that Gary's Snazaroo contest rules state that you can save and print the photos there to use for reference, as long as you don't openly display them as your own. If I have that wrong someone let me know?
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Post by Geekophile on Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:17 pm

What I use for my display is a drawing of a face with the design on it-- Like on Lone Wolf's design book post. I've never had someone say "it's not like the picture" because, well, of course it's not it's even better in 3D! When I really need to practice a face (and my kids will not cooperate!) I take my little mini kit with me to the park.
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Post by WickedBA on Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:26 pm

I understand wanting pics. For me, I am not confidant enough to let the kid pic something. I have the Mama Clown mask book and the Mama clown Eye designs book in my kit. Well the week before last, when I was painting at a restaurant, I had a huge line and some how my books got into the line. I had just got them and only practiced like 2 designs in them. I told the few kids that wanted stuff in their that Those weren't my pictures and that It wouldn't look just like that. I wont do that again because I felt super pressured but the kids 9 and parents) were happy whit what I did.
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Post by fluttersby on Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:14 pm

For my very first gig I did have a few pics in a binder that very few of the kids even looked at, they were mostly for me if I got stuck. I wrote under each of them that this was not my work, where I got it and that I would try to do something similar to it. I think I had a butterfly, spiderman, batman and that was it. I still don't have many pictures but I have resorted to painting myself as awful as I am at it until I can get some models. I did a bunch of Christmas designs on myself (I can't see without my glasses) and took the picture and made a photo collage at Walmart. It worked and the kids really only look at the design. I have thought about getting a friend's child to come for a few hours for a few days and let me paint and take pics in return for a birthday party. I think it would be a fair trade also.
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Post by Tash on Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:26 pm

JBM wrote:Wow 70 bucks for a market stall is crazy!! Do you have crafty friends? You'd need a few people going in on that to make it worth it!


errrr $70 bucks is nothing compared to what I have paid....
the cheapest being $50, the average being $85, and the most being $260... I had to talk them down from $400.
In Sydney the Markets and festival charge you a fortune to get into.... Newtown Festival was taking $800 from food vendors!! affraid
With my hubby doing Tattoos and me painting we make about $500 a day - that's keeping our prices at $5-$8 so $70 isn't that much.
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Post by Psalmbook on Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:17 pm

I have a few books that I keep away except for when I'm really not sure how to do something. If a child sees the book & asks to look I explain that the book is only for reference & most the pics in it are 30 minute designs, sorry, we don't have time for them today. This usually works.
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Post by MichelleLA on Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:43 pm

Psalmbook wrote:I have a few books that I keep away except for when I'm really not sure how to do something. If a child sees the book & asks to look I explain that the book is only for reference & most the pics in it are 30 minute designs, sorry, we don't have time for them today. This usually works.

That is a really helpful tip! Thanks Smile
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Post by sparklingfaces on Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:51 pm

I dont use pictures at events either... it's whatever they come up with.

BUT for your site, I dont think people care that you paint it on yourself... infact I think they are MORE impressed for some reason...

BUT NO - never use other people's works as representation of what you can do. Online or in person. If you can do it, re-create it on yourself and take a picture of that. I think it's a compliment to the artist if you credit their design aswell.

good luck though... I dont have kids or friends with kids or family members with kids so all I have is myself... i feel your pain
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Post by WickedBA on Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:55 pm

Ya learned my lesson. I dont take them with me anymore. I just lost track of my stuff.
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Post by JBM on Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:06 pm

Tash wrote:
JBM wrote:Wow 70 bucks for a market stall is crazy!! Do you have crafty friends? You'd need a few people going in on that to make it worth it!


errrr $70 bucks is nothing compared to what I have paid....
the cheapest being $50, the average being $85, and the most being $260... I had to talk them down from $400.
In Sydney the Markets and festival charge you a fortune to get into.... Newtown Festival was taking $800 from food vendors!! affraid
With my hubby doing Tattoos and me painting we make about $500 a day - that's keeping our prices at $5-$8 so $70 isn't that much.

Wow sucks to be in the Big smoke!!! I usually never go over 50 for a regular market. Festivals are totally different though cause there are heaps more people. Do you do Newtown Festival? My old boss does henna there. I suppose it really depends on the market - I mean in Syd, Paddington or Glebe must be worth it and in QLD Eumundi would but here in the stix forget about it!
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