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Post by BluAngL83 on Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:13 pm

Shes updated her website and all is well now.


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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by Lady Jayde on Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:34 pm

What I don't like is the way that she chooses to market herself not through her artwork (where is it?) but rather by disparaging other entertainers. Not a good way of getting on with a face painting network!

You can try to contact Gary, I don't know if he would be worried about it what with focusing a lot of energy on healing at the moment. But you never know, i doubt Gary Cole is even human...he may just take action.
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by Brandi Cameron on Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:54 pm

The butterfly is definitely by snazaroo and the sponge bob is by a girl named Wendy in the UK...bad way to start off. No
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by Terina on Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:46 pm

I think that there is a disclaimer on the Snaz page that you are allowed to use some pictures with permission...when I first started I printed the face paint invitations that they used to have but, I liked my kitty faces better so I didn't end up using them. So, maybe it is from that area of the Website? I don't really remember what all was on the page though....
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by Terina on Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:47 pm

There was a section with downloadable documents that is what I am referring to...but it was a really long time ago so not sure they even still have it. It had a boys and girls party invitation on it and a couple of other things...
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by Just Jenny on Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:11 pm

Ivonne Salazar and I met her in Va last year. She was set up to do a PPF almost directly across from Ivonne. I still have a 'Faces by Jahan' tent banner of hers' from that event.

She is very young, a college student, and her Mom is there to support her any way that she can. As of last year she had not taken any formal training, she was using Snaz. Her and her Mom were very sweet, but never followed up on going to any area jams that we had invited her to.

I think that she was charging far less then Ivonne, but Ivonne's line was always there....Ivonne can paint!!!!

For local people in the Va/DC/Md triangle, we need to reach out to her again. Like I said she is very young, beautiful-really beautiful.

Maybe someone could send her a link to Metinas Forum, which is an awesome place to learn from and is so supportive to the new artist.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by Just Jenny on Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:22 pm

Oops, a web site and no e-mail????? I called and left her a voice message on her phone, Maybe she'll call me tomorrow.

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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by tamarielpaints on Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:35 pm

I don't know about the pics, but these lines:
You get a "house call" by an experienced professional at the precise time you wanted. (You can't get that from a plumber, can you?) The face painter spends a great deal of time in preparation and travel, as well as providing all necessary supplies and equipment, and doing all necessary set-up and clean-up. Faces by Jehan paints as many children as possible within the time allotted, as well as entertaining them all while they watch.

from faces by Jehen

Is the same as
"You get a "house call" by an experienced professional at the precise time you wanted. (You can't get that from a plumber, can you?) The face painter spends a great deal of time in preparation and travel, as well as providing all necessary supplies and equipment, and doing all necessary set-up and clean-up. PrettyFun paints as many children as possible within the time allotted, as well as entertaining them all while they watch. "

from http://prettyfun.net/cost.htm
Maybe someone should tell Pretty Fun?
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by Just Jenny on Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:52 pm

Wow, talk about identical sites....You are so right. but at one point, I did jump to a page the said "this site for sale".

I'm not savvy with the workings of sites anymore so I can't even see who made their site first....However, they are so identical. The names and Numbers have been changed to protect 'someone'.

I'm hoping that Jahan is just a dumb student, and not meaning to be deceitful.

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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by tamarielpaints on Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:31 pm

Jenny,
It doesn't matter if the site is for sale. The other sections of Jehen's site also match up identically with other facepainter's websites.

And I'm a student. I started painting (on glass) to pay my way through undergrad and I'm PRAYING that facepainting allows me to have some pocket change through grad school. ALL college students know about plagarism - university policy at almost all schools say that if you do 'it', you're thrown out without a backwards glance. If universities, high schools, grammar schools, and all AP/SAT/ACT testing punishes plagarism, why on Earth would someone even DREAM that it'd be ok to do in the real world?!?!
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by Terina on Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:23 am

I don't know this person but maybe she has purchased the site and is transitioning it over as that it is totally the same colors and lay out and wording. So, maybe they are in a contract situation...I don't know maybe she totally took it. I have learned that people do some cruddy hings....ESPECIALLY in this business.

But, it is possible that she is doing this legitimately. Just a thought...maybe the other painter on here that knows her could call her and ask her about it. Or maybe someone could contact the seller of the Website and ask them. Because if it is for sale then she will obviously not be able to sell if someone takes her site piece by pieces LOL!
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by Lady Jayde on Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:44 am

The thing is that most seasoned painters I know would be hard pressed to reach out and help this young lady better herself after reading her word for word desparagement of their tried and true business practices. I know that there are those who feel that they can have their business, burn bridges and never need to network with other paintes...I know of a couple in Cleveland, but it's so much nicer to be respectful of the other working professionals...and a lot more fun as well! She's missing out by not taking advantage of the open arms of the face painting network...especially if she's been invited to jams. It's only a certain type of customer that would want to associate that type of brash, defammatory marketing with their special events. I know that I for one would rather pay a painter who charged more than one who founds her marketing on tearing others down. It's just not professional and that something that her years as a student should've taught her!

... and then there's the plagarism thing..
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by BluAngL83 on Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:28 am

I dont want to hurt her or turn her away this is my dilema b/c i am local and have worked with her before. I worked with her again in the fall for a festival and saw pics that i know she didnt do b/c the kids faces didnt look anythink like hers. I asked her about it and she said she did them. Ok i guess...? So now it looks like I might do a 3rd festival with her and i dont know how to go about telling her about the pics...
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by Terina on Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:08 am

That is tuff...there was painter here that is two cities over. He posted pics from another site that was from the UK. I was so upset about what to do.Then I decided this...

You can't force other people to make the right decisions. You can't make them be a stand up type of person. They are going to run their business probably the way they run their lives.

The green snake design is from another painter right? I think he has it on his sight too as well as another familiar butterfly that pulls up on the net a lot. So, even if you do say something...is it going to really matter?

I don't know why you would want to post pics that aren't yours really cause it makes it harder to duplicate someone else's style. It is totally wrong but you can't really truly do that much about it. If you contact Gary Cole he can perhaps make her change some of the pics but, what about the other designs? It seems that she is not probably going to accept responsibility by being truthful about the pictures. When the time came I would tell her that I knew for a fact they were not hers.

It is too bad when people decide not to play nice. I don't get it.
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Post by DeannaB on Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:06 pm

LOL - Just for fun - I "Googled" specific phrases from my website and there are folks out there using the EXACT phrasing I used.

I know that when it comes to FAQ we all say pretty much the same thing but I found one lady online that is using my exact opening line: Want to add some pizzazz to your grand opening? Need to spice up a party or picnic? [insert your business name here] provide reliable first class painting for all events.

She even stole my dang moto. LOL
My motto is “Painting the world… One smile at a time.”

Imitation is the Greatest Form of Flattery... and maybe its been a long long time since updated the mundane stuff. Wink
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Post by Terina on Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:50 pm

http://www.jollygoodfun.co.uk/facepainting.html

This is where the snake boy pic came from...UK group!
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by photomomma6 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:56 am

Wow, this is really amazing. I know Gary Cole does say that you can reproduce anything from his Party FAces business to use on your own literature. I heard it from his mouth at his class. BUT--if she's using his pictures, or anyone else's for that matter and calling them HERS--there's a problem. I really don't think Gary would care, but let's be real here--she's just lying. PERSONALLY_--If I had a gig with her, I'd print out the exact same pictures she had, and post them as my own--that way if someone or even if SHE asks--just say, "I did them myself". She'll be caught in her lie, and may change her ways. Good luck!
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Re: Are some of these pics "borrowed"?

Post by BluAngL83 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:43 am

Um, that might not be the way to go b/c
1) she's seen my stuff and knows that those couldnt possible be my faces
2) I dont want to seem like a biatch b/c i dont want to burn bridges, etc.. (this is the 3rd gig)
3) I will email her about what pics she plans on putting on her board and I may say:
Make sure you have actually painted those pics and are not using other painters work like you put on your site

hows that?
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Post by DeannaB on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:45 am

You know - I always wondered why adults were always so amazed that my paintings actually looked like my display board. I always thought 'duh' I painted them so of course they would look the same. I usually tweak my designs a bit - color matching - extra/less flair - but my work still looks like my work.

It is sad to think that there are painters out there that try to pass other painter's work as their own. I wonder what her customer's think?

I know that it is hard to build up your design board and/or portfolio when you first start - I opted to use the basic boy/girl paper templates and created my designs on them for my display board and take photos of my faces while I paint. I know its not for everyone - but I really like using the hand colored/painted template faces for my display board so I still use them today - years and years later.

But in the end - people are going to do what they are going to do - regardless of what others say. It is still sad. Sad
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Post by BluAngL83 on Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:58 am

DeannaB wrote:LOL - Just for fun - I "Googled" specific phrases from my website and there are folks out there using the EXACT phrasing I used.

I know that when it comes to FAQ we all say pretty much the same thing but I found one lady online that is using my exact opening line: Want to add some pizzazz to your grand opening? Need to spice up a party or picnic? [insert your business name here] provide reliable first class painting for all events.

She even stole my dang moto. LOL
My motto is “Painting the world… One smile at a time.”

Imitation is the Greatest Form of Flattery... and maybe its been a long long time since updated the mundane stuff. Wink

Sorry sweetie, but your motto is used by at least 25% of face painters and so is your opening line. Maybe try to come up with something unique or less often used? Not trying to be mean or anything....Its just like that Vista Print face paint logo that like 40% of us use or used when we started...and can you believe that some other fpers had the nerve to get mad/upset when others used it? lol "it belongs to me" "i've used to for the past x years" "ive ordered 1000 business cards with it on so You should change it" "i dont want others to confuse my business with yours" etc... Please, that logo belongs to Vista Print theres nothing anyone can do about that. But once I saw at least 3 people in my area with that logo, I quickly got a new one that belongs to ME and I think, pretty unique Smile
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Post by ablissfulaffair on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:27 pm

Yeah, it sucks ...but she's only hurting herself. When you asked about her pics and she said they were hers she was probably just embarassed and answered quickly (I hope that's what it was). Hopefully those few seconds talking with you stayed in her head & in her heart...and let's hope she has new pictures (her own pictures) when you work with her for the third time. Keep us posted. oh and BlueAngl83 you're doing the right thing! Just look out for your fellow face painter and teach her the way.

P.S. regarding wording: Hmmmm? I haven't found anybody using my wording and/or anything from my site (good thing b/c at least I know its unique but kind of hmmm? nobody wants to imitate me? LOL!)
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Post by Tilly - Formerly Punky on Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:07 pm

for some reason google isn't letting me see the website?
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Post by Wildcatfin on Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:34 pm

The Snazaroo pics can only be used for certain things, and must state that they are not the artists on work...
" The images are free for your use for non-commercial purposes. These are copyrighted images. You may print them out for your personal use. They are the property of the individual painter. You may not publish them for any commercial purpose or add them to another web site or printed piece without the written permission of the painter."

Its right at the top of the pages, highlighted, coloured, underlined....
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Post by pasghetti on Mon Apr 04, 2011 6:49 pm

I think she has taken what you've said to heart because I found this:
http://facesbyjehan.weebly.com/

Looks like she's still tweaking her site. There's hope for her yet Smile Wink
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Post by ablissfulaffair on Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:18 pm

YAY!
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