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Post by Elise on Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:30 am

Hey everyone,

At my last gig I had hugeeee problems getting my blacks black and my whites white. It needs to look crisp and clean but for some reason it just wasn't working. It made my work look so sloppyyy and especially because allot of the girls wanted a white hello kitty mask...

EEKK

I need help, what am I doing wrong? And what can I do to get those nice clean lines? I have both snaz black and white and tag black and white. My snaz black is all melted so it's really finicky to get a good consistancy so I use the Tag's, but I just can't get it right without having to go over and over it. It is always to thick or to watery. Sad

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Post by Jantien's Art on Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:37 am

Hi Elise, I use Diamond fx black and white, love them it's real black and real white!!! But I haven't used it in hot an humid weather, I'm Dutch so it's not so hot over here! sorry! but you could try! Good luck!

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Post by maggie on Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:44 am

I am also a fan of dfx white and black. I got tag white to make splits but have not used it yet for lines.
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Post by Perry Noia on Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:42 am

I can't speak to anything other than snazaroo, but I can say that with snaz, you need to make a little puddle in the paints and mix it into a creamy consistency. If your brush is dripping with water, it will be runny and transluscent... if your brush is just a little wet with that creamy stuff, you should be able to get some nice lines. It IS harder when it is hot and turns a little gooey, but you just use a little less water when it is like that. I have heard that some people keep a cooler nearby and swap out their blacks with a cold one when it starts doing that. YOu would only need two of them to go back and forth between them.
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Post by Psalmbook on Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:07 pm

Paradise Black & Paradise White make great bases(I use a sponge for my base, but they also work great w/ a brush). I would not use DFX, Wolfe or TAG Black as a base on anyone. It's too strongly pigmented & can stain horribly. I don't mind using them for my linework, since the base colors work as a barrier to the black paint. Whites not so bad, but can feel a little tight on the skin once it dries.
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Post by Psalmbook on Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:08 pm

Oh, and Snaz paints can get very gloppy in extreme heat. Keeping them on ice packs or rotating them in & out of coolers can help.
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Post by ChangingFaceDesigns on Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:30 pm

My favs are wolfe and DFX both for black and white. They have never stained on me nor have I had any complaints and I do alot of repeat business. But different skin will react differently to each brand of paint.

Now I will say that when working on really young children if a design calls for alot of black as a background then I will pull out my snaz black. I never will use it for any type of line work...just too gooey for my tastes and the lines are not crisp and clean.

I think it is going to be trial and error til you find what you are comfortable working with.
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Post by Elise on Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:35 pm

I have TAG and Snaz, I use the Snaz's for bases, but my issues are really with how to actually make the right consistancies. Brush dipped in water on it? or Spray bottle? what's the best way?
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Post by Perry Noia on Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:32 am

it's up to your own preferences for that.... I dip my brushes in water, get the water all over the paints and once it's the right consistency, then there is very little water left on my brush.
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Post by Jody Rife on Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:27 am

I like DFX / Wolfe for white and black dots , lines. However I am a snaz fan for the kiddos when doing batman puppies, etc. I have a question for you Perry, I recently purchased Snaz Sparkle white. I cannot get it to cover well and I was really hoping to use it for full puppy face. Do you use it? Am I just not working it up enough? scratch
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Post by Perry Noia on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:06 am

I've never bought sparkle white, sorry! The only sparkles that I have right now are pink and purple. I have found that they are a little more translucent than the regular colours though so it might just be part of the sparkle line. The sparkles are beautiful for their shimmer though.
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Post by Jody Rife on Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:12 am

Thanks Perry, I'm gonna give it another go. Smile
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Post by Fabtastic on Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:42 pm

Jody, I recently got a split cake of sparkle white and matte white (both Snaz) from Metina and I kind of rub my sponge circularly so I pick up a bit of both. It gives a little shimmer to the white but goes on more opaque than the sparkle white alone. Looks nice for bases.

I also use DFX white and black for lines and details, they are so much more crisp but I do find they stain more. Even the white leaves a sort of shadow on my skin! I must have the most stainable skin or something!
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Post by Jessica Musick on Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:04 am

Psalmbook wrote:Paradise Black & Paradise White make great bases(I use a sponge for my base, but they also work great w/ a brush). I would not use DFX, Wolfe or TAG Black as a base on anyone. It's too strongly pigmented & can stain horribly. I don't mind using them for my linework, since the base colors work as a barrier to the black paint. Whites not so bad, but can feel a little tight on the skin once it dries.

Should a base always be done?? I noticed in a lot of vids I watch on youtube or people I've seen facepainting I never see them use a base. But when I use the Dfx red for spiderman for example without a base (I've used a white base for that one) then the red stains terribly!

So just curious as to when to use a base or is it just with certain designs? I've read some people mentioning always using a base is more hygienic cause you aren't putting face the rest of your paint directly on skin.
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Post by anniel on Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:40 pm

Tag pearl white makes a beautiful & easy base. I am a huge fan of Wolfe black and white...and Metina's dippy pot idea is a good time & paint saver that works well with Wolfe. I have had DFX, and it got more gooey on me than the Wolfe (before I tried the dippy pot). I have a lot of repeats, and although I was originally nervous about the stains from the red (and the black around the eyes), I have never had a complaint. Olive oil, straight baby shampoo on a wipe/washcloth or make-up remover are what I tell the parents.
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Post by eva on Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:04 pm

Jessica Musick wrote:
Should a base always be done?? I noticed in a lot of vids I watch on youtube or people I've seen facepainting I never see them use a base. But when I use the Dfx red for spiderman for example without a base (I've used a white base for that one) then the red stains terribly!

So just curious as to when to use a base or is it just with certain designs? I've read some people mentioning always using a base is more hygienic cause you aren't putting face the rest of your paint directly on skin.

I think a base is just the color you use to cover the majority of the face, as in anything not used for details, dots, lines. etc. Like on a puppy that is mainly white, white would be the base, or spidy would be a red base, different from laying down like a white then trying to lay a color over it. Does that make sense? I tend to go for creamier and non staining brands for bases, snaz, or paradise.
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Post by summers4seasons on Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:17 pm

anniel wrote:Tag pearl white makes a beautiful & easy base. I am a huge fan of Wolfe black and white...and Metina's dippy pot idea is a good time & paint saver that works well with Wolfe. I have had DFX, and it got more gooey on me than the Wolfe (before I tried the dippy pot). I have a lot of repeats, and although I was originally nervous about the stains from the red (and the black around the eyes), I have never had a complaint. Olive oil, straight baby shampoo on a wipe/washcloth or make-up remover are what I tell the parents.
Olive oil? How do you apply/use it?
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Post by debranewmanart on Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:26 pm

Jody...I use a lot of Snaz too. I've had the same experience with the sparkle...or metallic ones. They just don't cover like the others. You can put down a flat color base and then go over it with the sparkle. That should help.

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Post by anniel on Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:46 pm

cotton balls, q tips, slathered directly & wiped with tissue...whatever---same as you would with make-up remover...
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Post by Manabanana on Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:47 pm

summers4seasons wrote:Olive oil? How do you apply/use it?

I use it all the time, because I stain all the time. doesnt matter how much lotion I use. I try to completely clean my face the best I can with baby shampoo and water. Any residue left behind I dab Olive oil (or baby oil) on a cotton ball and dab/wipe/apply to the face in circular motions until it lifts all the color.

I work at a bank as my day job so coming in with a stained face is no go. affraid
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Post by anniel on Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:49 pm

Baby oil is mineral oil and depletes Vitamin K, olive oil regenerates & has lots of vitamin E. I have a friend in Nepal who used it for years, as she couldn't afford creams...turns out she looks beautiful from nourishing her skin all these years!
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Post by CrazyPainter on Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:56 pm

Elise wrote:Hey everyone,

At my last gig I had hugeeee problems getting my blacks black and my whites white. It needs to look crisp and clean but for some reason it just wasn't working. It made my work look so sloppyyy and especially because allot of the girls wanted a white hello kitty mask...

EEKK

I need help, what am I doing wrong? And what can I do to get those nice clean lines? I have both snaz black and white and tag black and white. My snaz black is all melted so it's really finicky to get a good consistancy so I use the Tag's, but I just can't get it right without having to go over and over it. It is always to thick or to watery. Sad

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I think first I'd look at technique before the brand of paint you're using. You never actually said if you sponge your base on or brush it. My recommendation is to sponge, and tap tap tap it on rather than swiping it on. Tapping takes longer, but looks better and more consistent. (I'm a WolfeFX guy but use snaz white all the time as a base.)

I can't speak to how you do it once the black gets all bubblegum on you. I hated Snaz for that, and I won't use Wolfe black for a base, so I got in the habit of simply avoiding using black at all except for lines and details.

Also bear in mind the environment can play a role. If the kids are sweaty or have sunscreen on, it can be harder to get a good smooth base. It can still be done but its tougher. (Frankly I have more problem getting a smooth base finish with Wolfe regular blue. No idea why.)

Is this something that just happened THIS time? If so I'd guess it may have been an environment thing.

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Post by bdowns on Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:21 pm

I know exactly what you are talking about.. I also have the TAG Black, most all my paints are Tag but the black is really hard to work with. I also cant seem to get the consistency correct, gets all gloopy.. I can do nice lines in other colors.. so I just dont understand and blame it on being new to the game and that I must be doing something wrong.. I gotta get DFX white n black.. So your not alone and if you figure it out let me know!!
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