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Post by Who B What E on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:16 pm

Okay, so I just checked my FB facepainting page and an old friend sent me this message. What do I do??? Help, I'm still new at this, I don't know if this is something I could handle!! It is over an hour away too.


Hi Joanne, Betsy & I have been members of Ballet Theatre of Toledo (BTT) a local non-profit organization for years. Of course, our girls got us involved when they were both little. We have been proud to stick with it and recently helped in the production of the Nutcracker over the past two weekends. Betsy has been the Costumier for about a dozen years now. Most of the costumes are now her creations. As it so happens, this spring (2012) BTT is performing at Trinity Church in downtown Toledo in a joint performance with Solo Novo Chamber Orchestra in conjunction with the Toledo Zoo called "Carnival of the Animals" The pictures of your animal face painting could really sell the production and raise the quality of the dancers costumes. I can't promise any compensation except maybe to cover the cost of your supplies and provide some great free advertising and acknowledgement to help you get the word out in Toledo. I was wondering if you might be interested?


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Post by barbb919 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:30 pm

I could really be good free advertising for you..I don't know about most of the painters here..but i did a few freebies here and there just to get my name out when i first started..I only do them sometimes now..and not very often..but this could lead into something for you..just my 2 cents..good luck.
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Post by Taradoodles on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:43 pm

...Id do it if I could get them to cover hotel or something. and let me bring my little one. sounds fantastic to me. but Im also rather new to.
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Post by Guest on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:46 pm

You've got till spring to figure it out.

If you feel you want to, and you can design and practise and do the painting fast enough for a performance by then (usual call is two hours for most performances - so you'll need to be able to get everyone done, or have a crew that will be able to handle it) Go for it!

I love the creativity of theatrical designs!

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Post by Who B What E on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:48 pm

Wow, Taradoodles, I love your elephant! I may need to borrow that for this event! Would you mind?
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Post by fpinmn on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:48 pm

I'd let her know that you think it's a great idea, and they should get a sponsor to subsidize the face painting. SHE might not have any money, but SOMEONE does! Just because they are a non-profit doesn't mean they don't have money. It just means they are taxed in a lower tax bracket!! Someone runs that non-profit (for pay)... Someone got them costumes, and music and a venue and publicity...

You can get paid AND get free advertising! They aren't exclusive. Since she said "I can't promise any compensation", you can say, "Since you weren't sure what your budget was, let me know when you do, and we'll see if this is a good match for you." Also, how many people is she talking about? How long will you be there?

I'm not opposed to working with folks, but this is a career. I volunteer my time & talents in other ways. No one asks a dentist to come to an event and do 100 fillings for free. But they always ask the entertainers & artists!

I've discovered that whenever I have donated my face painting, what it generates is more donated events. Someone sees me and says "Wow... this is really good. I have a benefit coming up next month, and you'd be perfect!"

Remember that most people do not know what we put into our supplies, training, insurance, advertising, etc... When you remind them that this is your JOB, and that you expect to be compensated when you go to work, it's hard to refute that. Treat her like a real client, and give her your rates to take to her committee. Then they can get back to you and make you an offer.

Let us know how it turns out!

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Post by Who B What E on Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:53 pm

Thanks for the great advice LH, I dont' think I'm good enough yet to get paid, I guess I'll have to work on my "stinking thinkin"
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Post by Jantien's Art on Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:16 am

you are doing great work, don't worry, just do what LH said! otherwise, you'll never get paid what you deserve...

good luck and take care!
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Post by Psalmbook on Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:04 am

It sounds like it could a be a great advertising opportunity(especially if they have a photo shoot). Would they be dancing w/ the makeup on? The reason I ask is dancers sweat... A LOT... It could be disastrous... My son dances w/ a Ballet Company & the director will not allow any painting on the faces & bodies Sad . She's been in the business for a long time & says that the makeup just can't hold up to high athletics. If it's not very intense dancing you should be fine.
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Post by Perry Noia on Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:57 am

I agree that you should see if they can get a sponsor for you to be there. You deserve to be paid... even the kid on his first day at McD's gets paid and there's no skill there. They did offer to cover materials and you should take them up on at least that much, I'm sure they have no idea what your materials cost.

If they will be sweating, there are still options, but painting with cream makeups set with powder are very different to work with and will take some practice to get the results you want.

Yes, this would probably be a good advertising opportunity, but that won't pay the bills. It will likely take you a couple of hours to paint all those kids and you need to AT LEAST give yourself minimum wage over and above material costs.
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Post by a face painting mom on Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:03 am

Have confidnece in your work, it is great! My experince is that if you work for free, you are exposing yourself to more offers to work for free.

I would offer them a discounted rate that covers your expenses and you materials. Show them how good a deal it is to pay you, that is, only if this will be good for you in the first place. Theater is great, but dancing might not be, unless you use some kind of barrier spray. I would want to test it out before I tried to be sure that it really does do your business a good turn!

Also, how much exposure do you want that is an hour from your home? It seems to me that you would be working to get your hands on some killer pictures, and an experience you can list on your resume, something to think aobut when you respond.
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Post by Airyfairy on Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:15 am

Most theatre productions I have been to, have a program. Usually with a lot of advertising. Try to score a free 1/2 page ad in there, stating you do birthday parties etc....with all your contact information, and mention you did the painting for the production.

Just my two cents if you end up taking the gig! Good Luck!
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Post by skjfunny on Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:57 am

I read that she is an old friend. Would you like to see her, do you want the opportunity to grow? You seem unsure about your abilities but when I saw your work it certainly surpasses many who are being paid.
Your friend liked your work, she thought it would work for her venue, it could be years before you have such an opportunity. Did you really ever expect to see your faces in a stage production????
Look at this as a wonderful opportunity, agree on what faces she wants that you feel you can accomplish, and really put your mind to them. Simply explain to her how many you can do, it doesn't have to be all of them. You will grow in skill and confidence and the money will follow.
I've paid my mortgage, cars, raised a child and had a good standard of living all from my work, not someone else paying the bills and not performing as a side line so please understand when I state that giving back to your community will indeed pay off. When you are new people need to see what you can do. I have 4 others that I book they MUST agree to do a few community gigs with me at first simply so I can see how they work, how they handle themselves and THEY can have the real live experience. Each of them have been surprised at how rewarding emotionally it was for them and the confidence they gained. sunny
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Post by l!zzie on Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:35 pm

I'm doing this also for my daughter, in an musical production. The group doesn't get that lot of money and parents do their best to support. Take care of the costumes (made by themselves) etc.
They asked me to do the FP again. I'm loving the opportunity to help and make contacts this way.
I know maybe it isn't that clever, but feels good to help in a production my daughter loves to be part of.
Mommy feelings? Don't know, but in the weekend of 17-18 december I'll be FP the christmas show. No big designs, jut small ones.
They do pay the materials and the suggestion asking if I can be mentioned in the programm is a good one.... I'll remember that for next time, big show in june 2012!
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Post by Jantien's Art on Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:28 pm

l!zzie wrote:I'm doing this also for my daughter, in an musical production. The group doesn't get that lot of money and parents do their best to support. Take care of the costumes (made by themselves) etc.
They asked me to do the FP again. I'm loving the opportunity to help and make contacts this way.
I know maybe it isn't that clever, but feels good to help in a production my daughter loves to be part of.
Mommy feelings? Don't know, but in the weekend of 17-18 december I'll be FP the christmas show. No big designs, jut small ones.
They do pay the materials and the suggestion asking if I can be mentioned in the programm is a good one.... I'll remember that for next time, big show in june 2012!

I agree on this one, I also help out at school and a play my kids are inn, all moms pitch in in there own way (sewing, decorating etc), i think that's differend, isn't it? this was a Q from a client via FB as i understood. (non related) I also get a lot of company's asking me to do facepaint for free for a good couse... well I just can't affort to do that everytime they ask, then I would go bankrupt... there are only a few I do for free. But this is just the way i look at it...
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Post by l!zzie on Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:26 pm

Same as I do!
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Post by Who B What E on Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:23 pm

@skjfunny, I really like your advise. I do need the practice and it would be a good confidence booster. And if they are willing to pay for some product, and some advertising, I think it will be all good. The request came from a guy I hung out with growing up, and I would like to reconnect with him and his wife, and you're right it, would be really cool to see my faces up on stage in a ballet! It is sponsered by The Toledo Zoo, so maybe I'll ask if they could have me paint there this summer, who knows what it could lead to....
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Post by fpinmn on Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:46 pm

... just a comment about being "good enough to get paid"...

If you're good enough for someone to want your work, then you're good enough to be compensated for it.

Otherwise, lots of great suggestions here! Surprised)

FYI... if you do donate or reduce your prices, may I suggest one thing? Still sign a contract, and make sure the contract shows the full price of what you do, with a line item discount (call it "friends & family discount" or whatever... and subtract out the amount you're not making, so that when the next person who isn't your friend wants you sees what you did, they'll know just what a good deal they are getting.

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Post by Kat's FacesForFun on Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:15 pm

fpinmn.. your avatar is SO STINKIN CUTE! Is it from the holiday pick your nose book?
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Post by fpinmn on Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:45 pm

Kat's FacesForFun wrote:fpinmn.. your avatar is SO STINKIN CUTE! Is it from the holiday pick your nose book?

Thanks, Kat.

No... I haven't seen that book yet. But I am absolutely inspired by Margi's work!! I've seen a lot of "nose work" but hers is the first that has ever worked for me. I'll have to check out her other book. She told me this week that she'd been doing a Grinch for years, and, while I haven't seen it, I don't doubt for a moment that it's spectacular. (Is it in her book? I could use some help.) Smile My little grinch was the result of a crabby husband. I was getting ready for a gig I had in a few hours, and he was being a stinker, so I told him to sit still while I painted something appropriate. I was just going to put the face on his forehead (which I did & took his photo, with the intent of replacing his FB profile photo!) Very Happy, but then I kept going. I'd actually love to keep working on it. This one took me about 5 minutes, and I'm sure there has to be a way to do it fast & better. The best part was watching his family's & friends' responses to him on Facebook. Smile
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Post by Who B What E on Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:35 pm

Thanks for all the great advise everyone! You are all so wise and amazingly talented! Must get busy painting now...lions and tigers and bears, oh my!
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Post by Taradoodles on Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:26 am

dont know if its to late, havent gotten to post in awhile, but yes use whatever designs you want to. Im glad you like my elephant. =0) It makes me smile.
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Post by Who B What E on Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:12 am

Thanks! I love the added peanut Very Happy
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