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Post by Psalmbook on Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:19 pm

I did look at that page... I thought the pics would have looked better since they were photoshopped....
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Post by Kat's FacesForFun on Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:33 pm

There are some flowers towards the end that are seriously completely drawn in. Just.... why?!
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Post by lorrinwagner on Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:35 pm

I think it's hilarious! She is in my market and higher on the listings, actually, I think we all just helped rank her at the highest. Do you wall want to go to my site now to boost me? Wait, should I photoshop a few things first?
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Post by jolenebox on Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:21 pm

Ok Lorrin I just checked your website and all I have to say is Awesome!!!!!!!
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Post by Amanda on Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:49 pm

Wow... maybe it's just because I know how to use Photoshop that the pics were so obvious, but that is REALLY obvious! That's like photoshop 101 no-nos! She even put eyeshadow on some of the designs in there! I think it's safe to say that these are solidly in the DO NOT DUPLICATE file.

And for those of you who don't get how Photoshop can be used to "Paint" on people check out this link.... you'll never look at pictures online the same way again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dJujKM635s
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Post by deleted on Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:12 pm

While the photoshopping itself is bad enough, what I really don't understand is why she decides to show the original untouched photo first, and then the VERY NEXT IMAGE is the bad photoshop version. I saw that happen at least twice.

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Post by KaraMundy on Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:17 pm

Tamara Kay wrote:While the photoshopping itself is bad enough, what I really don't understand is why she decides to show the original untouched photo first, and then the VERY NEXT IMAGE is the bad photoshop version. I saw that happen at least twice.

I know! Lol, jeez.
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Post by Kat's FacesForFun on Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:22 pm

lol. My thoughts exactly!!! Lorrin... your work is AMAZING!!
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Post by clowngirl on Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:21 am

Hilarious!

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Post by Psalmbook on Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:12 am

Lorrin Your photo's are awesome!
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Post by Fabtastic on Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:48 am

I think it can be easy to get carried away with photo fixing, and if you aren't very good at it... well... Rolling Eyes

I always brighten and adjust the colours, because my camera doesn't always capture the colour correctly, but I don't usually amend the painting itself. However, I did fix up one picture a while ago, mostly because once I noticed that I'd forgotten to put matching dots on one side of the butterfly, I just had to fix it and while I was at it I fixed up a few other things too!! I don't think I changed it so dramatically that it misrepresents my ability, nor does it look crappy (I think).

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There is a line, definitely. I don't *think* I crossed it.
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Post by lorrinwagner on Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:25 am

Oh, you guys are so sweet, thanks for boosting me a little;)

Fabtastic, I don't think you crossed the line because you didn't amend your abilities, if you change it into something you can't do or don't do all the time I think that might be too far. I always adjust levels, darken and such but that is standard photography stuff too. There is a funny website: http://www.psdisasters.com/. I used to go there all the time and it is so funny to see the pros make crazy mistakes, makes you kinda wonder about what celebs really look like!

And that Youtube PS video was incredible, I want to know how to do that for my photos!
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Post by CottonKandyClown on Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:38 pm

Typical photoshopping like Fabtastic is fine. I'm sure the master painters do the same!

What that painter did was take a design and draw it onto a childs face, using photoshop. Who's to say those faces were even painted to begin with. Not very professional at all! Rolling Eyes
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Post by KaraMundy on Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:36 pm

lorrinwagner wrote:Oh, you guys are so sweet, thanks for boosting me a little;)

Fabtastic, I don't think you crossed the line because you didn't amend your abilities, if you change it into something you can't do or don't do all the time I think that might be too far. I always adjust levels, darken and such but that is standard photography stuff too. There is a funny website: http://www.psdisasters.com/. I used to go there all the time and it is so funny to see the pros make crazy mistakes, makes you kinda wonder about what celebs really look like!

And that Youtube PS video was incredible, I want to know how to do that for my photos!

Lorrin, I checked out your website when I was browsing through the competition. You have very beautiful work! And your website is awesome.
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Post by lorrinwagner on Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:35 pm

Thanks Kara, I might have browsed your website too. We'll have to get together sometime. Do you work at BG or just do independent?
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Post by skjfunny on Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:57 pm

[u][b]Lorrin I went to your site to boost you and your work is incredible. You are a true artist.[/b]
Sadly this person's work hurts the industry and her business attitude and decisions hurt all of our pockets.
As unpopular as it will make me she is an "amateur", there have been many discussions on what makes a professional. A professional would never cross the line she crossed. I would never allow someone under our name go out on a gig turning out the work displayed on the site to begin with.
I am not the artist that many on this site are...however we are running a business. We pick faces each member can do well, clean, neat, fast and appealing to our clients. Our attitude, costuming and setup all add to the wonderful experience our clients can count on. Face painting is a REAL BUSINESS but many hobbyist ( turning their interest in to a way to pick up quick $$$)...skip the business part. It is so beyond artist ability.
Unfortunately, I do not believe the general public will realize photo shop, they will just think it is painting in stages...we think differently than the general public.
Again I will repeat "do not dress like a clown...you are a clown or you are not a clown" [/color] One of the unprofessional decisions I see on the site. There is little on the site [b]"interested" [/color]teens could not be taught in a week", from the painting to the balloons.
Those that ask how she got the corporate names listed: easy answer, from a friend, relative or simply because she was available, or price.
The test is time...when the same ones book you over and over and give your name to their friends.
Falling off my soapbox now...time to prepare for wonderful New Year's Eve and New Year's Day gigs..by the touch of a key we can ask a question, find a product or simply vent...isn't it a wonderful world. 2012 has been termed a year for the entrepreneurial artist by many...I KNOW it is going to be a great year for many of us. Thanks to sites like this, sharing, caring people, and the wonderful web that changed the industry. [/color] sunny cheers
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Post by rthling on Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:45 pm

I am not the artist that many on this site are...however we are running a business. We pick faces each member can do well, clean, neat, fast and appealing to our clients. Our attitude, costuming and setup all add to the wonderful experience our clients can count on. Face painting is a REAL BUSINESS but many hobbyist ( turning their interest in to a way to pick up quick $$$)...skip the business part. It is so beyond artist ability.

I absolutely agree. This is what I am trying to do for my own business. I want it to look like a business, not a fun hobby that makes me some money. I want people to take me seriously, and I believe they will. It is really hard to look at someone like this and not be frustrated, though, because she is getting the work, and I am not. Yet. Very Happy

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Post by HillbillyDiva1 on Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:58 pm

I spent years working for someone else painting faces getting a lot less than working for myself. When I stopped painting faces at the Theme Park you couldn't get a gig anywhere unless you were a clown. I'm one of the top experienced face painters in my area but it was clowns doing work like her's and worst that got the gigs. I have to reeducate my market that the two aren't inclusive. Don't get my bragging wrong on this board I might make barely the bottom of the top 100. Big fish in little pond and Tampa is a ocean compared.
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Post by TheGildedCat on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:03 pm

Man, if I was going to Photoshop images onto a kid's face, I'd pick something awesome off of this forum or a professional's portfolio. I mean, if you're going to do something like that, might as well go all the way and steal some images, amIright!?
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Post by TheGildedCat on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:11 pm

I do Photoshop my images as well, there's no sense in not doing it. I'm not as good at it as some, but I'm learning. When I'm taking photos "in the field," the conditions are never going to be as good as a studio. I might as well change the lighting, remove red eyes, and fix the color balance. There is no reason as a professional to show anything less than your best work.

As I get better, I find myself removing more and more images from my website so that I can showcase only the best. It's a work in progress, and I still have some newbie images up, but as I get better ones, I will replace those and whittle down the total.

If you look at the websites from the big names, they rarely show more than a few amazing images that have been cleaned up in Photoshop.

I took a class with Wendy Rover at the Big Raindrop Conference in Seattle where she showed us all the tools she uses to clean up her henna images so that she showcases only her most amazing work. I really want stylus and tablet at some point, I think she uses a Wacom and has much more control with it than a mouse.
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Post by helena on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:20 pm

"boosted" you Lorin! (viewed website Very Happy) Nice pic's; love that flower mask and gold/orange tiger especially Smile
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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:24 pm

None of my face painting photos have been altered except for cropping and watermarking. A couple of the body painting images have had the colour balance tweaked, and one I did a lot of "tidying" on to remove hair and creases in the thong...

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.195454930508777.59088.191063437614593&type=3#!/photo.php?fbid=195455170508753&set=a.195454930508777.59088.191063437614593&type=3&theater

this one - her hair was all over the nap of her neck and the thong had several creases in it, and I also took out the outline of the nipple covers.

It was more of a class project for me as I was taking a class in using Photoshop for Photographers. I just don't have the time to fuss around so rarely use it. I generally just crop and post.

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Post by lorrinwagner on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:28 pm

Thanks Helena, I hated that flower mask, just did that the other night and I am learning I need help on girl designs! Can't seem to stop adding black - ever! But I am working on fixing that, actually watching some you tube right now! Trying to make them look all girlie and such, doesn't seem to work so well for me.
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Post by rthling on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:46 pm

Oh, Shannon! I had a good laugh about your post. I kept thinking that a crease in the thong isn't really possible, considering the "crease" is actually the person's.... affraid HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Still funny....
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Post by helena on Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:53 pm

Lorrin, I think the black just hilights the vibrancy of the other colours you used and I love the white "wisteria" effect against all those other colours. It all just 'pops'.

I know what you mean about trying to keep away from using a staple though - I've been experimenting trying white instead of black as an outliner and other colours other than the 'expected'... it's cool to challenge ourselves...sometimes it even works! Smile

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